Experience:120mg/170mg 4-FA - Substance Overview: Difference between revisions

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'''Context:''' I've run through two trials with 4-FA now, it has been the first recreational stimulant I have tested. My two experiences contained compulsive redosing, however starting doses were low on each occasion. I will outline the basic events of each test and give my subjective thoughts on this chemical. These will be less detailed than my other reports, as they were not terribly detailed experiences.

'''Subject:''' Male | ~~87kg~~ | 178cm

'''Subject:''' Male | 87 kg / 192 lbs | 178cm

'''Excess Materials Consumed:'''

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'''T+00'''

Woke up, my 4-FA had come! Oh joy, I weighed 40mg and dosed nearly thirty minutes after being awake. First alerts came at around T+00:30, soft stimulation, steadily rising internal body temperature, music slowly began to pull me in deeper. Nearing the peak, a sense of calm and complacent happiness washed over my body. At 9:00 I smoked a bowl and turned on the shower.

Woke up, my 4-FA had come! Oh joy, I weighed 40mg and dosed nearly thirty minutes after being awake. First alerts came at around T+00:30, soft stimulation, steadily rising internal body temperature, the music slowly began to pull me in deeper. Nearing the peak, a sense of calm and complacent happiness washed over my body. At 9:00 I smoked a bowl and turned on the shower.

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'''T+3:30'''

After some talking and smoking, I decided to take another, higher dose, so that I would be pushed into a more (hopefully) MDMA like experience. I weighed 83mg on my scale, put it in a gelatin capsule, and swallowed. We got in my friends car, and they drove us to a small lot of food carts. I wasn't hungry, the come up was longer than the first one. I felt good, talkative, interested in what my buddy had to say. We were discussing business things, and the more we got into the subject matter the more I felt myself understanding and absorbing it with a sense of meaningfulness. I tried to eat, taste was astonishingly rich, but not too much for me. The food I was eating tasted amazing, but I just wasn't very motivated to eat. At 12:40 I said we should head back, because I was getting bored and my friend had finished their food. They agreed, they had stuff to do anyway.

After some talking and smoking, I decided to take another, higher dose, so that I would be pushed into a more (hopefully) MDMA-like experience. I weighed 83mg on my scale, put it in a gelatin capsule, and swallowed. We got in my friends car, and they drove us to a small lot of food carts. I wasn't hungry, the come up was longer than the first one. I felt good, talkative, interested in what my buddy had to say. We were discussing business things, and the more we got into the subject matter the more I felt myself understanding and absorbing it with a sense of meaningfulness. I tried to eat, taste was astonishingly rich, but not too much for me. The food I was eating tasted amazing, but I just wasn't very motivated to eat. At 12:40 I said we should head back, because I was getting bored and my friend had finished their food. They agreed, they had stuff to do anyway.

'''T+5:00'''

By this point I had rolled a gram joint and was smoking it. I felt incredible, waves of warm tingling sensations ripple down my skin in spontaneous but frequent spurts. In terms of feel, it resembled the physical space of MDMA, with a bit of the mood boost, but it was definitely not the same. My head was clear, I could do things, but most of what I did was listen to music and enjoy myself. Fast forward to 16:10, I was still peaking, β had called me and wanted to hang out. They said they would be over around 17:30.

By this point, I had rolled a gram joint and was smoking it. I felt incredible, waves of warm tingling sensations ripple down my skin in spontaneous but frequent spurts. In terms of feel, it resembled the physical space of MDMA, with a bit of the mood boost, but it was definitely not the same. My head was clear, I could do things, but most of what I did was listen to music and enjoy myself. Fast forward to 16:10, I was still peaking, β had called me and wanted to hang out. They said they would be over around 17:30.

'''T+9:30'''

When β got to my apartment, the euphoria was fading. The stimulation remained exactly where it had been for the peak. β dosed 166mg, came up for an hour, and left by 18:30. I had somewhere to go, another meeting, I hadn't expected the chemical to last this long. At 18:40 I left for the meeting, all mental stimulation and euphoria had subsided, but music appreciation was still enhanced and my mood was boosted until around T+12.

When β got to my apartment, the euphoria was fading. The stimulation remained exactly where it had been for the peak. β dosed 166mg, came up for an hour and left by 18:30. I had somewhere to go, another meeting, I hadn't expected the chemical to last this long. At 18:40 I left for the meeting, all mental stimulation and euphoria had subsided, but music appreciation was still enhanced and my mood was boosted until around T+12.

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T+00

Ingested at 17:30, slightly anxious about rolling, but ready. I had two joints prepared, I started smoking the first half of one of them at T+00:45 when out for a walk with one of the people at the party. I had ingested on a full stomach, because I knew that I wouldn't have been hungry at the party and didn't want to try and force myself to eat in order to be sustained in nutritional energy. By T+1:00 I was perplexed but not worried about not feeling peak effects yet. I assumed it was lengthened by the food in my stomach.

Ingested at 17:30, slightly anxious about rolling, but ready. I had two joints prepared, I started smoking the first half of one of them at T+00:45 when out for a walk with one of the people at the party. I had ingested on a full stomach because I knew that I wouldn't have been hungry at the party and didn't want to try and force myself to eat in order to be sustained in nutritional energy. By T+1:00 I was perplexed but not worried about not feeling peak effects yet. I assumed it was lengthened by the food in my stomach.

T+1:30

I ~~redosed~~ when we got outside on the patio, I was tired of waiting to come up and impulsively swallowed the second capsule. I immediately experienced some anxiety and a strong physical rush that I still cannot explain. It must have been a mixture of the weed and the 4-FA, I may have started peaking on the first dose nearly immediately after my second ingestion. It was not a sensation I was used to, it was rather forceful, I am still not sure exactly what caused it. I waited for another while, finished the rest of my first joint, and spent the rest of that onset in a calming environment downstairs. I helped the cooks do some food prep, peeled potatoes, made them drinks. I had a glass of beer while doing this, I am not sure if this affected the 4-FA. I was cautious to drink and did not drink much alcohol that night, even though I was doing the bartending. I went about doing drink making and ensuring that everyone was happy.

I re-dosed when we got outside on the patio, I was tired of waiting to come up and impulsively swallowed the second capsule. I immediately experienced some anxiety and a strong physical rush that I still cannot explain. It must have been a mixture of the weed and the 4-FA, I may have started peaking on the first dose nearly immediately after my second ingestion. It was not a sensation I was used to, it was rather forceful, I am still not sure exactly what caused it. I waited for another while, finished the rest of my first joint, and spent the rest of that onset in a calming environment downstairs. I helped the cooks do some food prep, peeled potatoes, made them drinks. I had a glass of beer while doing this, I am not sure if this affected the 4-FA. I was cautious to drink and did not drink much alcohol that night, even though I was doing the bartending. I went about doing drink making and ensuring that everyone was happy.

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'''Trial A'''

This is a very long lasting and euphoric stimulant, this experience was wholly positive, it has a very clear headspace and is easy to maneuver around with. Not super sociable, or empathogenic in comparison to MDMA, but a perfect substitute. Honestly it seems like a more introverted MDMA, willingness to talk was not as high as willingness to move my body to music. After taking my second dose, I had vasoconstriction during the offset, and was unable to sustain an erection. This is vasoconstricting, just like MDMA. I do not think it would be easy to perform intercourse during 4-FA at a dose higher than 100mg.

This is a very long lasting and euphoric stimulant, this experience was wholly positive, it has a very clear headspace and is easy to maneuver around with. Not super sociable, or empathogenic in comparison to MDMA, but a perfect substitute. Honestly, it seems like a more introverted MDMA, willingness to talk was not as high as willingness to move my body to music. After taking my second dose, I had vasoconstriction during the offset, and was unable to sustain an erection. This is vasoconstricting, just like MDMA. I do not think it would be easy to perform intercourse during 4-FA at a dose higher than 100mg.

'''Trial B'''

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 '''Context:''' I've run through two trials with 4-FA now, it has been the first recreational stimulant I have tested. My two experiences contained compulsive redosing, however starting doses were low on each occasion. I will outline the basic events of each test and give my subjective thoughts on this chemical. These will be less detailed than my other reports, as they were not terribly detailed experiences.
-'''Subject:''' Male | 87kg | 178cm
+'''Subject:''' Male | 87 kg / 192 lbs | 178cm
 '''Excess Materials Consumed:'''
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 '''T+00'''
-Woke up, my 4-FA had come! Oh joy, I weighed 40mg and dosed nearly thirty minutes after being awake. First alerts came at around T+00:30, soft stimulation, steadily rising internal body temperature, music slowly began to pull me in deeper. Nearing the peak, a sense of calm and complacent happiness washed over my body. At 9:00 I smoked a bowl and turned on the shower.
+Woke up, my 4-FA had come! Oh joy, I weighed 40mg and dosed nearly thirty minutes after being awake. First alerts came at around T+00:30, soft stimulation, steadily rising internal body temperature, the music slowly began to pull me in deeper. Nearing the peak, a sense of calm and complacent happiness washed over my body. At 9:00 I smoked a bowl and turned on the shower.
 '''T+1:00'''
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 '''T+3:30'''
-After some talking and smoking, I decided to take another, higher dose, so that I would be pushed into a more (hopefully) MDMA like experience. I weighed 83mg on my scale, put it in a gelatin capsule, and swallowed. We got in my friends car, and they drove us to a small lot of food carts. I wasn't hungry, the come up was longer than the first one. I felt good, talkative, interested in what my buddy had to say. We were discussing business things, and the more we got into the subject matter the more I felt myself understanding and absorbing it with a sense of meaningfulness. I tried to eat, taste was astonishingly rich, but not too much for me. The food I was eating tasted amazing, but I just wasn't very motivated to eat. At 12:40 I said we should head back, because I was getting bored and my friend had finished their food. They agreed, they had stuff to do anyway.
+After some talking and smoking, I decided to take another, higher dose, so that I would be pushed into a more (hopefully) MDMA-like experience. I weighed 83mg on my scale, put it in a gelatin capsule, and swallowed. We got in my friends car, and they drove us to a small lot of food carts. I wasn't hungry, the come up was longer than the first one. I felt good, talkative, interested in what my buddy had to say. We were discussing business things, and the more we got into the subject matter the more I felt myself understanding and absorbing it with a sense of meaningfulness. I tried to eat, taste was astonishingly rich, but not too much for me. The food I was eating tasted amazing, but I just wasn't very motivated to eat. At 12:40 I said we should head back, because I was getting bored and my friend had finished their food. They agreed, they had stuff to do anyway.
 '''T+5:00'''
-By this point I had rolled a gram joint and was smoking it. I felt incredible, waves of warm tingling sensations ripple down my skin in spontaneous but frequent spurts. In terms of feel, it resembled the physical space of MDMA, with a bit of the mood boost, but it was definitely not the same. My head was clear, I could do things, but most of what I did was listen to music and enjoy myself. Fast forward to 16:10, I was still peaking, β had called me and wanted to hang out. They said they would be over around 17:30.
+By this point, I had rolled a gram joint and was smoking it. I felt incredible, waves of warm tingling sensations ripple down my skin in spontaneous but frequent spurts. In terms of feel, it resembled the physical space of MDMA, with a bit of the mood boost, but it was definitely not the same. My head was clear, I could do things, but most of what I did was listen to music and enjoy myself. Fast forward to 16:10, I was still peaking, β had called me and wanted to hang out. They said they would be over around 17:30.
 '''T+9:30'''
-When β got to my apartment, the euphoria was fading. The stimulation remained exactly where it had been for the peak. β dosed 166mg, came up for an hour, and left by 18:30. I had somewhere to go, another meeting, I hadn't expected the chemical to last this long. At 18:40 I left for the meeting, all mental stimulation and euphoria had subsided, but music appreciation was still enhanced and my mood was boosted until around T+12.
+When β got to my apartment, the euphoria was fading. The stimulation remained exactly where it had been for the peak. β dosed 166mg, came up for an hour and left by 18:30. I had somewhere to go, another meeting, I hadn't expected the chemical to last this long. At 18:40 I left for the meeting, all mental stimulation and euphoria had subsided, but music appreciation was still enhanced and my mood was boosted until around T+12.
 '''T+14'''
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 T+00
-Ingested at 17:30, slightly anxious about rolling, but ready. I had two joints prepared, I started smoking the first half of one of them at T+00:45 when out for a walk with one of the people at the party. I had ingested on a full stomach, because I knew that I wouldn't have been hungry at the party and didn't want to try and force myself to eat in order to be sustained in nutritional energy. By T+1:00 I was perplexed but not worried about not feeling peak effects yet. I assumed it was lengthened by the food in my stomach.
+Ingested at 17:30, slightly anxious about rolling, but ready. I had two joints prepared, I started smoking the first half of one of them at T+00:45 when out for a walk with one of the people at the party. I had ingested on a full stomach because I knew that I wouldn't have been hungry at the party and didn't want to try and force myself to eat in order to be sustained in nutritional energy. By T+1:00 I was perplexed but not worried about not feeling peak effects yet. I assumed it was lengthened by the food in my stomach.
 T+1:30
-I redosed when we got outside on the patio, I was tired of waiting to come up and impulsively swallowed the second capsule. I immediately experienced some anxiety and a strong physical rush that I still cannot explain. It must have been a mixture of the weed and the 4-FA, I may have started peaking on the first dose nearly immediately after my second ingestion. It was not a sensation I was used to, it was rather forceful, I am still not sure exactly what caused it. I waited for another while, finished the rest of my first joint, and spent the rest of that onset in a calming environment downstairs. I helped the cooks do some food prep, peeled potatoes, made them drinks. I had a glass of beer while doing this, I am not sure if this affected the 4-FA. I was cautious to drink and did not drink much alcohol that night, even though I was doing the bartending. I went about doing drink making and ensuring that everyone was happy.
+I re-dosed when we got outside on the patio, I was tired of waiting to come up and impulsively swallowed the second capsule. I immediately experienced some anxiety and a strong physical rush that I still cannot explain. It must have been a mixture of the weed and the 4-FA, I may have started peaking on the first dose nearly immediately after my second ingestion. It was not a sensation I was used to, it was rather forceful, I am still not sure exactly what caused it. I waited for another while, finished the rest of my first joint, and spent the rest of that onset in a calming environment downstairs. I helped the cooks do some food prep, peeled potatoes, made them drinks. I had a glass of beer while doing this, I am not sure if this affected the 4-FA. I was cautious to drink and did not drink much alcohol that night, even though I was doing the bartending. I went about doing drink making and ensuring that everyone was happy.
 T+3:00
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 '''Trial A'''
-This is a very long lasting and euphoric stimulant, this experience was wholly positive, it has a very clear headspace and is easy to maneuver around with. Not super sociable, or empathogenic in comparison to MDMA, but a perfect substitute. Honestly it seems like a more introverted MDMA, willingness to talk was not as high as willingness to move my body to music. After taking my second dose, I had vasoconstriction during the offset, and was unable to sustain an erection. This is vasoconstricting, just like MDMA. I do not think it would be easy to perform intercourse during 4-FA at a dose higher than 100mg.
+This is a very long lasting and euphoric stimulant, this experience was wholly positive, it has a very clear headspace and is easy to maneuver around with. Not super sociable, or empathogenic in comparison to MDMA, but a perfect substitute. Honestly, it seems like a more introverted MDMA, willingness to talk was not as high as willingness to move my body to music. After taking my second dose, I had vasoconstriction during the offset, and was unable to sustain an erection. This is vasoconstricting, just like MDMA. I do not think it would be easy to perform intercourse during 4-FA at a dose higher than 100mg.
 '''Trial B'''