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'''~~Feelings~~ of predeterminism''' can be ~~defined~~ as the sudden perspective ~~or feeling that all events~~, ~~including human~~ actions, are ~~established or decided in advance~~.

'''Perception of predeterminism''' can be described as the sensation that all physical and mental processes are the result of prior causes, that every event and choice is an inevitable outcome that could not have happened differently, and that all of reality is a complex causal chain that can be traced back to the beginning of time. This is accompanied by the absence of the feeling that a person's decision-making processes and general cognitive faculties inherently possess "free will”. This sudden change in perspective causes the person to feel as if their personal choices, physical actions, and individual personality traits have always been completely predetermined by prior causes and are, therefore, outside of their conscious control.

~~This is~~ a ~~perspective that can become spontaneously triggered and felt through an undeniable change in thought processes and an intense~~ set of ~~physical~~ sensations~~. In terms~~ of ~~how it feels experimentally~~, the ~~perspective can be described~~ as the ~~sensation~~ of ~~the ego or internal narrative (as an independent decision~~-~~making agent) being lifted from your perception of the world and revealed to be illusory~~. This ~~creates~~ the ~~undeniable sensation~~ that ~~your personal choices, physical actions, current situational perspective, and the~~ very ~~subject matter of your thought stream have always been completely predetermined~~ and ~~out of your control. At this point it becomes clear that these things~~ are ~~not reached through a conscious decision making process or planning of~~ the ~~ego and genuinely never were at any point. Instead they are revealed to have always been a vast and complex set~~ of ~~internally stored, instantly decided, pre-programmed,~~ and ~~completely autonomous electro-chemical responses to received sensory stimuli which one does not have any conscious control over~~.

During this state, a person begins to feel as if their decisions arise from a complex set of internally stored, pre-programmed, and completely autonomous, instant electrochemical responses to perceived sensory input. These sensations are often interpreted as somehow disproving the concept of free will, as the experience of this effect feels as if it is fundamentally incompatible with the notion of being self-determined. This state can also lead a person to the conclusion that their very identity and selfhood are the cumulative results of their biology and past experiences.

~~Alongside of this~~, ~~there is also~~ a ~~powerful physical sensation that makes the precise arrangement~~ of ~~the external environment~~ and ~~the objects within it become felt to be the true deciding force in regards to the way in which you physically interact with it~~. ~~This is done by instantly triggering your responses and decisions towards them through the simple perception of them. This can lead you to feel that~~, ~~for example~~, ~~you are not deciding to reach out and grab~~ a ~~relevant object, but~~ the ~~object is triggering you to reach out and grab it because you need to (regardless~~ of ~~whether or not you have put any thought into it)~~.

Once the effect begins to wear off, a person will often return to their everyday feelings of freedom and independence. Despite this, however, they will often retain realizations regarding what is often interpreted as a profound insight into the apparent illusory nature of free will.

~~This experience as a whole~~ is ~~consistently interpreted~~ by ~~anybody who undergoes it~~ as ~~a profound revelation or insight into~~ the ~~illusory nature~~ of ~~free will~~.

Perception of predeterminism is often accompanied by other coinciding effects such as [[Memory suppression|ego dissolution]] and [[physical autonomy]]. It is most commonly induced under the influence of [[dosage#heavy|heavy]] [[dosage|dosages]] of [[psychedelic]] compounds, such as [[LSD]], [[psilocybin]], and [[mescaline]].

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===Psychoactive substances===

Compounds within our [[psychoactive substance index]] which may cause this effect include:

{{#ask:[[Category:Psychoactive substance]][[Effect::Feelings of predeterminism]]|format=ul|Columns=1}}

===Experience reports===

Anecdotal reports which describe this effect within our [[experience index]] include:

{{#ask:[[Category:Experience]][[Effect::Feelings of predeterminism]]|format=ul|Columns=1}}

===See also===

*[[Responsible use]]

*[[Subjective effects index]]

*[[Psychedelics#Subjective_effects|Psychedelics - Subjective effects]]

*[[Dissociatives#Subjective_effects|Dissociatives - Subjective effects]]

*[[Deliriants#Subjective_effects|Deliriants - Subjective effects]]

===External links===

*[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predeterminism Predeterminism (Wikipedia)]

*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCofmZlC72g Sam Harris on Free Will (YouTube)]

*[http://news.sfsu.edu/consciousness-has-less-control-believed-according-new-theory Consciousness has less control than believed, according to new theory (San Francisco State University)]

[[Category:Cognitive]]

[[Category:Transpersonal]]

[[Category:Effect]]

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-'''Feelings of predeterminism''' can be defined as the sudden perspective or feeling that all events, including human actions, are established or decided in advance.
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+'''Perception of predeterminism''' can be described as the sensation that all physical and mental processes are the result of prior causes, that every event and choice is an inevitable outcome that could not have happened differently, and that all of reality is a complex causal chain that can be traced back to the beginning of time. This is accompanied by the absence of the feeling that a person's decision-making processes and general cognitive faculties inherently possess "free will”. This sudden change in perspective causes the person to feel as if their personal choices, physical actions, and individual personality traits have always been completely predetermined by prior causes and are, therefore, outside of their conscious control.
-This is a perspective that can become spontaneously triggered and felt through an undeniable change in thought processes and an intense set of physical sensations. In terms of how it feels experimentally, the perspective can be described as the sensation of the ego or internal narrative (as an independent decision-making agent) being lifted from your perception of the world and revealed to be illusory. This creates the undeniable sensation that your personal choices, physical actions, current situational perspective, and the very subject matter of your thought stream have always been completely predetermined and out of your control. At this point it becomes clear that these things are not reached through a conscious decision making process or planning of the ego and genuinely never were at any point. Instead they are revealed to have always been a vast and complex set of internally stored, instantly decided, pre-programmed, and completely autonomous electro-chemical responses to received sensory stimuli which one does not have any conscious control over.
+During this state, a person begins to feel as if their decisions arise from a complex set of internally stored, pre-programmed, and completely autonomous, instant electrochemical responses to perceived sensory input. These sensations are often interpreted as somehow disproving the concept of free will, as the experience of this effect feels as if it is fundamentally incompatible with the notion of being self-determined. This state can also lead a person to the conclusion that their very identity and selfhood are the cumulative results of their biology and past experiences.
-Alongside of this, there is also a powerful physical sensation that makes the precise arrangement of the external environment and the objects within it become felt to be the true deciding force in regards to the way in which you physically interact with it. This is done by instantly triggering your responses and decisions towards them through the simple perception of them. This can lead you to feel that, for example, you are not deciding to reach out and grab a relevant object, but the object is triggering you to reach out and grab it because you need to (regardless of whether or not you have put any thought into it).
+Once the effect begins to wear off, a person will often return to their everyday feelings of freedom and independence. Despite this, however, they will often retain realizations regarding what is often interpreted as a profound insight into the apparent illusory nature of free will.
-This experience as a whole is consistently interpreted by anybody who undergoes it as a profound revelation or insight into the illusory nature of free will.
+Perception of predeterminism is often accompanied by other coinciding effects such as [[Memory suppression|ego dissolution]] and [[physical autonomy]]. It is most commonly induced under the influence of [[dosage#heavy|heavy]] [[dosage|dosages]] of [[psychedelic]] compounds, such as [[LSD]], [[psilocybin]], and [[mescaline]].
+</onlyinclude>
+===Psychoactive substances===
+Compounds within our [[psychoactive substance index]] which may cause this effect include:
+{{#ask:[[Category:Psychoactive substance]][[Effect::Feelings of predeterminism]]|format=ul|Columns=1}}
+===Experience reports===
+Anecdotal reports which describe this effect within our [[experience index]] include:
+{{#ask:[[Category:Experience]][[Effect::Feelings of predeterminism]]|format=ul|Columns=1}}
 ===See also===
+*[[Responsible use]]
+*[[Subjective effects index]]
 *[[Psychedelics#Subjective_effects|Psychedelics - Subjective effects]]
 *[[Dissociatives#Subjective_effects|Dissociatives - Subjective effects]]
 *[[Deliriants#Subjective_effects|Deliriants - Subjective effects]]
+===External links===
+*[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predeterminism Predeterminism (Wikipedia)]
+*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCofmZlC72g Sam Harris on Free Will (YouTube)]
+*[http://news.sfsu.edu/consciousness-has-less-control-believed-according-new-theory Consciousness has less control than believed, according to new theory (San Francisco State University)]
+[[Category:Cognitive]]
+[[Category:Transpersonal]]
+[[Category:Effect]]