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==Structural similarity to mescaline==

The following sentence (2nd sentence in the introduction) "It is a popular member of the 2C-x family of psychedelic phenethylamines, '''all of which are derivatives of mescaline'''." is incorrect. [[Mescaline]] is a ~~3,4,~~'''5'''-substituted phenethylamine, while 2C-x compounds are ~~3,4,~~'''6'''-substituted phenethylamines. Slight, but nonetheless (bio)chemically significant difference. I edited the phrase out.

The following sentence (2nd sentence in the introduction) "It is a popular member of the 2C-x family of psychedelic phenethylamines, '''all of which are derivatives of mescaline'''." is incorrect. [[Mescaline]] is a '''3''',4,5-substituted phenethylamine, while 2C-x compounds are '''2''',4,5-substituted phenethylamines. Slight, but nonetheless (bio)chemically significant difference. I edited the phrase out.

[[User:Hydroxypcp|Hydroxypcp]] ([[User talk:Hydroxypcp|talk]]) 14:53, 16 November 2017 (CET)

:{{ping|Hydroxypcp}} You are right in that the initial wording of the statement was a bit imprecise, or contained some ambiguity. "Derivative" can be a bit of a tricky word as its meaning can differ depending on whether it is used in, say, a strictly modern chemical context, or a looser historical one. I don't think it's necessarily wrong to say that 2C-x is a second-order derivative series of mescaline, with DOx being the first. The team has discussed this matter and decided on a clearer and more accurate way of wording the statement. We hope you find it reasonable. --[[User:Clarity|Clarity]] ([[User talk:Clarity|talk]]) 18:02, 16 November 2017 (CET)

:{{ping|Clarity}} Yes, now it sounds far better. [[User:Hydroxypcp|Hydroxypcp]] ([[User talk:Hydroxypcp|talk]]) 06:14, 17 November 2017 (CET)

== HCl vs HBr ==

Both the 2C-B HBr and HCl salts are common and the dosages differ. The HBr dosage is about (consensus is 1.15x or 1.21x) the HCl dosage, and a small change in 2C-B dosage can change the whole nature of the experience. This is pretty important to mention. Thanks.

{{ping|solinium}} Thanks for the suggestion, we'll try to find a way to incorporate this information into the article. --[[User:Clarity|Clarity]] ([[User talk:Clarity|talk]]) 23:56, 21 January 2019 (CET)

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 ==Structural similarity to mescaline==
-The following sentence (2nd sentence in the introduction) "It is a popular member of the 2C-x family of psychedelic phenethylamines, '''all of which are derivatives of mescaline'''." is incorrect. [[Mescaline]] is a 3,4,'''5'''-substituted phenethylamine, while 2C-x compounds are 3,4,'''6'''-substituted phenethylamines. Slight, but nonetheless (bio)chemically significant difference. I edited the phrase out.
+The following sentence (2nd sentence in the introduction) "It is a popular member of the 2C-x family of psychedelic phenethylamines, '''all of which are derivatives of mescaline'''." is incorrect. [[Mescaline]] is a '''3''',4,5-substituted phenethylamine, while 2C-x compounds are '''2''',4,5-substituted phenethylamines. Slight, but nonetheless (bio)chemically significant difference. I edited the phrase out.
 [[User:Hydroxypcp|Hydroxypcp]] ([[User talk:Hydroxypcp|talk]]) 14:53, 16 November 2017 (CET)
+:{{ping|Hydroxypcp}} You are right in that the initial wording of the statement was a bit imprecise, or contained some ambiguity. "Derivative" can be a bit of a tricky word as its meaning can differ depending on whether it is used in, say, a strictly modern chemical context, or a looser historical one. I don't think it's necessarily wrong to say that 2C-x is a second-order derivative series of mescaline, with DOx being the first. The team has discussed this matter and decided on a clearer and more accurate way of wording the statement. We hope you find it reasonable. --[[User:Clarity|Clarity]] ([[User talk:Clarity|talk]]) 18:02, 16 November 2017 (CET)
+:{{ping|Clarity}} Yes, now it sounds far better. [[User:Hydroxypcp|Hydroxypcp]] ([[User talk:Hydroxypcp|talk]]) 06:14, 17 November 2017 (CET)
+== HCl vs HBr ==
+Both the 2C-B HBr and HCl salts are common and the dosages differ. The HBr dosage is about (consensus is 1.15x or 1.21x) the HCl dosage, and a small change in 2C-B dosage can change the whole nature of the experience. This is pretty important to mention. Thanks.
+{{ping|solinium}} Thanks for the suggestion, we'll try to find a way to incorporate this information into the article. --[[User:Clarity|Clarity]] ([[User talk:Clarity|talk]]) 23:56, 21 January 2019 (CET)