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In terms of its effects on the users physical energy levels, MDA is commonly considered to be extremely stimulating and energetic even more so than its counterpart drug MDMA. This encourages activities such as running, climbing and dancing in a way that makes MDA a popular choice for musical events such as festivals and raves. | In terms of its effects on the users physical energy levels, MDA is commonly considered to be extremely stimulating and energetic even more so than its counterpart drug MDMA. This encourages activities such as running, climbing and dancing in a way that makes MDA a popular choice for musical events such as festivals and raves. | ||
The particular style of stimulation which MDA presents can be described as forced. This means that at higher dosages it becomes difficult or impossible to keep still, as jaw clenching | The particular style of stimulation which MDA presents can be described as forced. This means that at higher dosages it becomes difficult or impossible to keep still, as jaw clenching, involuntarily bodily shakes and vibrations become present, resulting in an extreme unsteadiness of the hands and a general lack of motor control. | ||
A person's eyeballs may even begin to spontaneously wiggle back and forth in a rapid motion, causing vision to become blurry and temporarily out of focus; a condition known as [[Visual effects: Vinrating vision|nystagmus]]. | A person's eyeballs may even begin to spontaneously wiggle back and forth in a rapid motion, causing vision to become blurry and temporarily out of focus; a condition known as [[Visual effects: Vinrating vision|nystagmus]]. | ||
===Negative physical side effects=== | ===Negative physical side effects=== | ||
[[ | [[Dehydration|Dehydration]] is a universal experience with MDA and a product of increased heart rate and the extreme motivation to engage in strenuous physical activities that it induces. | ||
At moderate to high dosages, this substance often results in an overall difficulty when it comes to urination, an effect that is completely temporary and harmless, due to MDA’s promotion of the release of anti-diuretic hormone (ADH). ADH is responsible for regulating urination. This effect can be lessened by simply relaxing but can be significantly relieved by placing a hot flannel over the genitals to warm them up and encourage blood flow. | At moderate to high dosages, this substance often results in an overall difficulty when it comes to urination, an effect that is completely temporary and harmless, due to MDA’s promotion of the release of anti-diuretic hormone (ADH). ADH is responsible for regulating urination. This effect can be lessened by simply relaxing but can be significantly relieved by placing a hot flannel over the genitals to warm them up and encourage blood flow. | ||
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*[[Cognitive effects: Increased love, empathy and sociability|Increased love, empathy and sociability]] - Although present and distinct at therapeutic levels this particular effect is significantly less all encompassing and pronounced than that of [[MDMA]]. | *[[Cognitive effects: Increased love, empathy and sociability|Increased love, empathy and sociability]] - Although present and distinct at therapeutic levels this particular effect is significantly less all encompassing and pronounced than that of [[MDMA]]. | ||
*[[ | *[[Current mind state enhancement|Current mind state enhancement]] | ||
*[[ | *[[Thought connectivity|Thought connectivity]] | ||
*[[ | *[[Novelty enhancement|Novelty enhancement]] - (mild) | ||
*[[ | *[[Time distortion|Time distortion]] - powerful time dilation | ||
*[[ | *[[Introspection|Introspection]] | ||
*[[ | *[[Rejuvenation|Rejuvination]] - less apparent at higher dosages due to hang over | ||
*[[ | *[[Personal bias suppression|Personal bias suppression]] | ||
*[[ | *[[Conceptual thinking|Conceptual thinking]] | ||
*[[ | *[[Ego suppression, loss and death|Ego suppression, loss and death]] | ||
*[[ | *[[Unity and interconnectedness|Unity and interconnectedness]] | ||
*[[ | *[[Outrospection|Outrospection]] | ||
*[[ | *[[Mindfulness|Mindfulness]] - far more powerful than mdma | ||
==[[Visual effects - Psychedelics|Visual effects]]== | ==[[Visual effects - Psychedelics|Visual effects]]== | ||
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===[[Visual effects - Psychedelics#Enhancements|Enhancements]]=== | ===[[Visual effects - Psychedelics#Enhancements|Enhancements]]=== | ||
MDA presents a complete array of visual enhancements which are mild in comparison to traditional psychedelics such as [[LSD]] or [[Psilocin]] even at higher dosages but still distinctively present. These effects generally include: | MDA presents a complete array of visual enhancements which are mild in comparison to traditional psychedelics such as [[LSD]] or [[Psilocin]] even at higher dosages but still distinctively present. These effects generally include: | ||
*[[Visual | *[[Visual acuity enhancement|Visual acuity enhancement]] | ||
*[[ | *[[Colour enhancement|Colour enhancement]] | ||
*[[ | *[[Pattern recognition enhancement|Pattern recognition enhancement]] | ||
===[[Visual effects: Distortions (psychedelic)|Distortions]]=== | ===[[Visual effects: Distortions (psychedelic)|Distortions]]=== | ||
MDA presents a small array of visual distortions which are mild in comparison to traditional psychedelics such as [[LSD]] or [[Psilocin]] even at higher dosages but still distinctively present. These effects generally include: | MDA presents a small array of visual distortions which are mild in comparison to traditional psychedelics such as [[LSD]] or [[Psilocin]] even at higher dosages but still distinctively present. These effects generally include: | ||
*[[Visual | *[[Visual drifting|Visual drifting]] | ||
*[[ | *[[Tracers|Tracers]] | ||
*[[ | *[[Symmetrical texture repetition|Symmetrical texture repetition]] | ||
===[[Visual effects - Psychedelics#Geometry|Geometry]]=== | ===[[Visual effects - Psychedelics#Geometry|Geometry]]=== | ||
The visual geometry that is present throughout this trip can be described as more similar in appearance to that of [[Psilocin]] than [[LSD]]. They can be comprehensively described as structured in their organization, organic in geometric style, intricate in complexity, large in size, fast and smooth in motion, mostly blue and grey in scheme, glossy in colour, equal in blurred and sharp edges and equal in rounded and angular corners. At higher dosages they are significantly more likely to result in states of [[Visual effects - Psychedelics#7A - Exposure to entirety of neurological structure|Level 7A]] visual geometry over [[Visual effects - Psychedelics#7B - Exposure to inner mechanics of | The visual geometry that is present throughout this trip can be described as more similar in appearance to that of [[Psilocin]] than [[LSD]]. They can be comprehensively described as structured in their organization, organic in geometric style, intricate in complexity, large in size, fast and smooth in motion, mostly blue and grey in scheme, glossy in colour, equal in blurred and sharp edges and equal in rounded and angular corners. At higher dosages they are significantly more likely to result in states of [[Visual effects - Psychedelics#7A - Exposure to entirety of neurological structure|Level 7A]] visual geometry over [[Visual effects - Psychedelics#7B - Exposure to inner mechanics of consciousness|Level 7B]]. Many users almost menacing feeling, following a sinister and ominous style with a colour scheme that generally consists of greys and blues. | ||
===[[Visual effects - Psychedelics#Hallucinatory States|Hallucinatory states]]=== | ===[[Visual effects - Psychedelics#Hallucinatory States|Hallucinatory states]]=== | ||
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The experience of [[Auditory effects - Psychedelics#Hallucinations|auditory hallucinations]] on MDMA is extremely common, usually occurring at the end of the night, and almost always consisting of memory replays from the previous several hours. They are commonly manifested as spontaneous clips of the music that was played and garbled voices of the people that were spoken too. These can become as loud in volume as the level of noise heard at any rave or house party and can occasionally become complex enough to manifest themselves as intricate, previously unheard and completely coherent songs or symphonies of any style. | The experience of [[Auditory effects - Psychedelics#Hallucinations|auditory hallucinations]] on MDMA is extremely common, usually occurring at the end of the night, and almost always consisting of memory replays from the previous several hours. They are commonly manifested as spontaneous clips of the music that was played and garbled voices of the people that were spoken too. These can become as loud in volume as the level of noise heard at any rave or house party and can occasionally become complex enough to manifest themselves as intricate, previously unheard and completely coherent songs or symphonies of any style. | ||
==Toxicity and | ==Toxicity and harm potential== | ||
MDA also differs from its methylated cousin MDMA in its acute toxicity—it is clearly more toxic, with toxicity indicative of overstimulation of the central nervous system and the cardiovascular system.<ref>Diaz, Jaime. How Drugs Influence Behavior. Englewood Cliffs: Prentice Hall, 1996.</ref> Symptoms of acute toxicity may include agitation, sweating, increased blood pressure and heart rate, dramatic increase in body temperature, convulsions, and death. Death is usually caused by cardiac effects and subsequent hemorrhaging in the brain (stroke).<ref>Diaz, Jaime. How Drugs Influence Behavior. Englewood Cliffs: Prentice Hall, 1996.</ref> The website erowid.org lists the fatality rate at roughly 2 in 100,000 users, assuming it has similar rates as MDMA.<ref>http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mda/mda_effects.shtml</ref> | MDA also differs from its methylated cousin MDMA in its acute toxicity—it is clearly more toxic, with toxicity indicative of overstimulation of the central nervous system and the cardiovascular system.<ref>Diaz, Jaime. How Drugs Influence Behavior. Englewood Cliffs: Prentice Hall, 1996.</ref> Symptoms of acute toxicity may include agitation, sweating, increased blood pressure and heart rate, dramatic increase in body temperature, convulsions, and death. Death is usually caused by cardiac effects and subsequent hemorrhaging in the brain (stroke).<ref>Diaz, Jaime. How Drugs Influence Behavior. Englewood Cliffs: Prentice Hall, 1996.</ref> The website erowid.org lists the fatality rate at roughly 2 in 100,000 users, assuming it has similar rates as MDMA.<ref>http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mda/mda_effects.shtml</ref> | ||
===Interactions=== | ===Interactions=== | ||
MDMA should not be taken alongside any SSRI, [[RIMA]] or [[MAOI]] drugs, due to the risk of [[serotonin syndrome]]. | MDMA should not be taken alongside any SSRI, [[RIMA]] or [[MAOI]] drugs, due to the risk of [[serotonin syndrome]]. | ||
===Lethal | ===Lethal dosage=== | ||
The median lethal dose (LD50) in mice has been reported as 92 mg/kg by intraperitoneal injection. This puts the estimated fatal dosage for a 60kg human being at 5520mg although it should be noted that toxic side effects can be triggered well below this amount. | The median lethal dose (LD50) in mice has been reported as 92 mg/kg by intraperitoneal injection. This puts the estimated fatal dosage for a 60kg human being at 5520mg although it should be noted that toxic side effects can be triggered well below this amount. | ||
===Tolerance and | ===Tolerance and addiction potential=== | ||
MDA usage forms a tolerance. MDA can be taken multiple days in a row, but a higher dosage will need to be administered each consecutive day. Eventually, positive effects will not be noticed as negative side effects increase. MDA has mild psychological addictive potential. | MDA usage forms a tolerance. MDA can be taken multiple days in a row, but a higher dosage will need to be administered each consecutive day. Eventually, positive effects will not be noticed as negative side effects increase. MDA has mild psychological addictive potential. | ||
==Legal | ==Legal issues== | ||
*'''Brazil:''' Possession, production and sale is illegal. | *'''Brazil:''' Possession, production and sale is illegal. | ||
*'''Canada:''' MDA is a Schedule I drug. | *'''Canada:''' MDA is a Schedule I drug. | ||
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*'''USA:''' MDA is a Schedule I drug. | *'''USA:''' MDA is a Schedule I drug. | ||
==See | ==See also== | ||
*[[Psychedelics]] | *[[Psychedelics]] | ||
*[[Entactogens]] | *[[Entactogens]] | ||